frugal vs stingy


As most early retirees have pointed out already, frugal living is the key to save enough for investment and therefore financial independence. I think I also do live a frugal life, but unlike Mr Money Mustache and many others, I won’t trade convenience to squeeze out some extra bucks for savings. As I mentioned in another post, my whole purpose of life is to enjoy myself, that means do things that please me the most, and buy things I like the most. The only reason stopping me from doing so would be the budget. As I pointed out in my rules of investment, we need money to grow money, and to borrow money we also need to have some down payment or collateral. The initial funds have to be saved, and therefore we need to save as much and as early as possible. However, if I have already saved 30% of my paycheck, then I spotted something that will increase my comfort or make me more happy, and I can afford to do so, I’ll still buy it.

Many early retirees advocate an efficient life, meaning you push yourself to spend the absolute möinimum to grow your nest egg, and convince yourself to be happy about it, even after you accumulated enough to afford a more luxurious life. I can’t agree on these points. My goal of life is to make sure at every stage of my life, the quality of life would be higher than the previous stages. To me, frugal living only means living within your means and most importantly, pay only the minimum amount that I know of for the same product. I don’t like to always convince myself not to buy, I would call that stingy. Again referring to my investment rules, money is earned, not saved. Rather than depressing your own desires in order to save, why not try to make use of other people’s money to work for you. That’s a more efficient way of growing wealth.

My thoughts on frugal living

About cars

Many early retirees advocate commuting on feet, bicycles, or when it’s necessary, a used car. It’s true that cars are the single largest depreciating assets we would normally own (except boats, of course), but it’s also the most convenient. Talking about depreciation, food actually depreciate much faster than anything else, it usually does not last much more than 24 hours and most of it is either turned into stools or consumed as energy. Does it mean we should give up on food altogether or consume only low quality bulk cheap food instead? Life is so short, we just need to enjoy whenever we can.

When I’m still a student, I used to cycle to school and work too. But back then my income didn’t justify buying a car, and I was living  near Sydney downtown, where it’s an absolute nightmare commuting in cars. The good part is that it forces me to exercise, but frankly I didn’t enjoy it after sweating all over and still had to study and work in the sticky shirts. On the other hand, my income did justify going to the food court for dinner, where the food was delicious and cheap ($6 one dish with rice). Although eating at home would be even cheaper, I’m not a good cook and didn’t want to waste nearly an hour to cook just to finish eating in 10-15 minutes. My mum is a good cook so I grown up to be a finicky eater, I can tell a dead fish from live ones by taste even if it was dead for only a couple of hours. Life would be miserable without good food, so my definition of frugal life doesn’t include saving on food, especially when food is not a big ticket item and wouldn’t defer my saving plan too much.

In America, all the shopping options are too far from each other for walking or biking, Living closer to work is also not always cost effective (for example, rooms in apartments next to my institute cost $600/mth, whereas the room I rented 10 minutes drive away was only 300/mth). Therefore having a car in the US is a must. Originally I also had the same understanding with other early retirees that a used car is more efficient, so I bought a 1995 Nissan 200sx for $1900. It worked well for me for a couple of years and it was sporty and trendy. I quite enjoyed it at first, but then problems started to show, I had to change the muffler, fix the transmission and finally the radiator started leaking. After 5 years I gave up and donated it to buy a new car. It still worked out to be a good deal considering the amount of money I saved, but the stress and trouble I went through is not worth it.

New cars do depreciate exponentially, but they also provide many useful new functions to keep up with newer technologies, such as usb charging slot, bluetooth sound systems, double or even triple charging spots, etc. It’s true you can add many of these functions with accessories at discounted price, but aesthetically it will look disastrous with all the extra wires hanging everywhere. I think frugal life should be a balance between cost and visual, mental and physical enjoyment. A new car definitely justify buying due to the enjoyments, so the next thing is to ensure I buy at a good deal. Frugal at this point means not buying on impulse and always compare before you buy. I waited until 2010 when the economy was so bad that I could negotiate very good deals, then I read reviews and determined Mazda 3 to be the best overall car for the look, the zoom zoom feel and the fuel economy. The decision was also based on the fact that at the time there was a promotion of 0% down and 0% interest for 5 years at Mazda dealers! Buying cars on finance is important as you can defer payments and use the funds for investments instead, to offset some of the cost. Before I went to dealers, I submitted a message through edmunds.com, then several dealers contacted me with offers. I did not mention the finance offer and was able to negotiate nearly 20% off the MSRP. When I went for the contract, I talked to them about the finance offer and they have to accept it too. The same strategy only landed me with a deal of 10% off MSRP for a Mazda CX-9 two years later due to improved economy, though with the same finance offer. Although the CX-9 is a large car and therefore not very fuel efficient (It did not help to be the all wheel drive version), I like it so much that I rank it as one of the best buys I’ve made so far.

About housing

I would define frugal living as living in as big a place as you need and can comfortably afford without disturbing your investment plan. The decision to rent or buy your primary residence should largely depends on the cost of each option. When I was single, all I needed is really a room to stay in. I eat out most of the time, and a room only cost less than $400/month. In the meantime, the house prices was near historical highs, the rent of a house at that time wouldn’t even cover the mortgage interest. Therefore, it made no sense to buy a house back then. Historically, real estate appreciation is at least 2% below that of the stock market, even before factoring in the high associated costs. The only benefit of buying a house is that you can have a high leverage without having to worry about price fluctuations, and for primary residence, another benefit is the tax-free gains. With price at all time highs, the benefit to risk ratio was not favorable. The safer way to grow wealth back then would be to rent and have the extra cash invested in the stock market. When the market tanked, it gradually became worthwhile to buy rather than rent, especially when I had plan to marry.

As a general rule of buying real estates, if it’s a primary residence, I would like the fair market rent to cover the mortgage payment, tax and insurance; for a rental property, I would need 10 month’s rent to cover the whole year of the above cost to allow for more maintenance and vacancies. At the depth of the financial crisis, I was able to buy properties at such depressed price that even 5 month’s rent would be sufficient the cover all the cost! However, those properties are in less than desirable neighborhoods, and are known to have a high default rate for rents (I experienced this myself, which would make another story). They are OK for rental properties due to the enormous buffer, but we wouldn’t want to live in those areas.  Fortunately, even in desirable areas, there were neighborhoods that are more depressed than others. We found our property east of the railway in Rockville, MD. It’s less classy than properties west of the railway, that’s why we were able to get a reasonable deal that satisfied my criteria for primary residence investments. The 4 br house cost $300k and the rent was about $2000. I could get a 5 year ARM loan at 3.25%, with a mortgage calculator the monthly payment would be $1300 even if all $300k was borrowed, plus tax of $300/month and insurance of less than $100/month, therefore we would be paying $300 less than market rent by owning the house. The house was less than 5 min walk away from the metro station, and less than 10 min walk away from the newly built and increasingly popular Town center. We know straight away we got a deal (The owner selling to us got a better deal, he bought it as foreclosure for $180k, added 2 bathrooms and some minor fix ups, and turned at least $70k profit in less than half a year), even if the price doesn’t increase, we were already better off. Better still, we rented one room out for $600/month, worked out that my wife and I would only pay $550 each for 3/4 of the house. A similar room in the area would rent more than that! In every angle, this would be a worthwhile investment. 3 years later, the economy proved I was right, we were able to sell it for a nearly $100k TAX-FREE profit!

Although in the past few years I’ve made some handsome profits in real estates, it’s only because of the timing of my entry and the locations I chose (the price of the houses in the “better” part of Rockville is virtually unchanged over these years).  In the long run, stock market still yield far more than the real estates market, actually, some beaten down well know stocks such as Las Vegas Sand (LVS) appreciated over 50 times from the financial crisis trough to the highs. The only benefit of real estate investing is the high leverage without margin calls, and the favorable tax treatment of primary residences. If the same can be done in the stock market, there will be no reason to invest in housing. My recent home purchase is a good example. I bought the house in Birch Bay, which is where I plan to retire (featured in the header photo). The house cost $430k since it’s still a depressed market now. I don’t know how much the owners spend 22 years ago to build it, I would guess in the $250k mark. The return over 22 years would only be ((430/250)^1/22)-1=2.5% per year, even if valued at $700k in the peak years, the return was only ((700/250)^1/22)-1=4.8%. Therefore, the numbers have to be right for me to invest in real estate, and I would only put down enough to get the best rate for the mortgage, and have as long a term as possible on the loan for minimum payment. The rest of my funds will still go to the stock market.

About shopping

Frugal shopping to me is basically to buy at a discount. Before buying anything, it’s always prudent to compare prices at different stores, preferably on the internet if possible. However, it’s a bit time consuming to do so, therefore after initial research we formed certain routines for our own shopping, which is listed below for your reference. It’s just our example, you may have better ways, if so we would like to hear about it too. Please share your experience with us.

We do most of our grocery at Costco and a Chinese supermarket. It’s not worthwhile to shop at Costco when I was single, but now I have a family it makes a lot of sense. I have their executive card, although it cost double the normal card, you earn 2% back on most purchases. We generally spend enough to get all the member fees back and then some each year. We also have the Costco America Express card, which is the only credit card accepted by Costco. This card gives another 1% cash back on most Costco purchases, and 3% back on the already cheap gasoline filling.

For the Chinese supermarket, we would use the Citibank double cash card to buy a $500 giftcard at the store, they will then throw in another $25 giftcard for free, this together with the 2% back at Citibank amounts to nearly a 7% discount.

For department stores, apparel stores and hardware stores, I would use the Citibank double cash card to buy giftcards for the stores at Cardcash.com, which can be bought at up to 20% discount. For online purchases, I would normally use Amazon with their credit card, which gives 3% back. At other sites it’s possible to use the giftcards bought at Cardcash.com too.

About credit cards

The shopping part pretty much explained how to take advantage of the cash back discount of various credit cards. Another thing I have to add is about the sign up credits. These credit cards give out between $100-$400 free cash after you spend certain amounts within the first few months. I only sign up for the ones I want to keep because I don’t like the trouble of applying. However, if you don’t mind the trouble, there’s a lot of free cash to be had!

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Thanks to the great recession, I finally made it and retired right before I turned 40.